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Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:45 pm

I guess I look at yesterday as a microcosm of ISU athletics. Do I think Spack suddenly forgot how to coach football in 5 years? No, I don’t at all. I look at what has or hasn’t changed since we went to Frisco.

When we built the new side of Hancock it gave the program some life. However, we build that, go to Frisco, and the school has done nothing since to help the program move forward (I personally think they should have done like SDSU and built a brand new stadium out by the golf course instead of trying to piece together a stadium). Anyway, now the schools serious about winning have blown by us in facilities. As someone said the Horton side of the stadium is an absolute disgrace. Blow that up. I went over there at halftime yesterday to talk to someone and it was embarrassing. NDSU fans were mocking how bad it was.

Spack isn’t completely off the hook, they’ve done a terrible job recruiting QBs and WRs making the offense one dimensional. However, as long as Lyons and Dietz are in charge this is what you can expect. Probably never terrible in Football or basketball, but never great like NDSU or Wichita State in basketball.

There is no vision or plan by Lyons or Dietz to move athletics to another level. They are both clueless on division 1 athletics. You need a president that cares about athletics. Dietz obviously doesn’t because he allows Lyons to run everything into the ground.
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:10 pm

[/quote]And no creativity may be an issue, all I'm saying is let's give it a few weeks and see. Hard to be creative when you're without your top 2 receivers. Ndsu did a great job of jamming them and not letting the receivers get open. Let's see if this continues. I'm not saying it's a problem a week after we threw for 419 and put up 40 points. Was it not creative then?

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You made my point for me. Against NAU they spread the ball around and did not just rely on Robinson and you listed the results. NAU is not NDSU of course but if you are facing a better team and are only one dimensional you will get absolutely embarrassed like the Birds did yesterday. They lost their two top receivers and it appeared they did not have any faith in the backups. After the initial fumble they probably had less faith. It appeared to be the offensive coaching staff had no answers. Many people don't against NDSU. If you lose two guys and are dead in the water...you did not recruit well. This is football at the FCS level. You are going to lose starters. Almost everyone is going to lose starters. So you lose two receivers and your passing game is gone for the year?
I would say if you lost two top weapons you better be more creative not less.
Anyway, this week is over and a loss to the Bison is not unusual for the Redbirds or really unexpected. This program is nowhere near that type of elite level. Then again, what program really is? Lets get on track with SIU.
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:33 pm

I don't think getting too focused on NDSU is fair to the program, lets be honest, they should be an FBS program, they would win the MAC most years and compete very well in the AAC.. They are the only game in town out there, no pro teams or FBS programs to compete with, so a lot of excitement built around their program.

Lets see how we do the rest of the year before judging this group.
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:40 pm

Jon99 wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:33 pm
I don't think getting too focused on NDSU is fair to the program, lets be honest, they should be an FBS program, they would win the MAC most years and compete very well in the AAC.. They are the only game in town out there, no pro teams or FBS programs to compete with, so a lot of excitement built around their program.

Lets see how we do the rest of the year before judging this group.
Good post.
Question for all... How many of our guys would start for them? I've got 4. Maybe 5. 5 of 22. That's my first and last post on this game because in my feeble mind there's nothing else to say. :( See you at homecoming hopefully 5-2.
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:18 pm

Tough game. NDSU is a quality program! Enough said about them...
The offensive play calling is a head scratchier. Is it the offense is not able to execute consistently? Is Davis just not that good? Coach are not able to recognize the adjustments needed?
The player I feel for is the Tight End Gillium. The guy is a work horse, yet, I can't recall seeing any ball thrown to him...this season. I'm sure, I'm sure I just missed it. Regardless, the guy was open more than several times yesterday, Brady didn't look his way once.
I just don't understand this team, frustrating..
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:29 am

Brick wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:06 am
When will we ever win the truly epic game again in our two major sports? Yes we won some football games getting to the championship a few years ago but we lost the ultimate game. Same with
Basketball we beat WSU but got killed in the epic game. It’s not on Lyons either. It’s on our coaching staffs to step up. IMO
That's become the Redbird Way, unfortunately. We can never seal the deal on the big stage.
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fourthandshort wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:08 am
redbirdfan04 wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:35 pm
My hope is more posters put up stats of how good we are compared to last year! 6-5 or 5-6 this year will turn into telling us stupid stats from the year before and how the next team Is going to be great. How great were our lines today? Please let us know. This game is called exposed.
so what was point of this post ?
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Part of it was frustration and part of it is I believe way to many people are holding onto the past. I did not think we would win this game but it was a very poor performance overall. It will be interesting to see how the team performs this week. Will they be prepared and focused or will heads be down.
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:12 am

Disappointed in the performance as I thought it would be closer, but I can't say I'm completely surprised. These Bison are really good and Trey Lance is the real deal. Our program may not be where we want it to be, and I don't think we should be called a FCS Power (as some media have state), but we've been a solid/good program for a long time, which to me is a success. Gone are the years of being abysmal. Gone are the 2-9, 3-8 teams. We've had some marquee wins despite what some on here say. Going up to Evanston and beating Northwestern was a marquee win. Going to Fort Collins and beating Colorado State was a marque win (at the time). We've laid some eggs after those wins, but you can't say we haven't had them. The Bison have been to 8 straight championships and have won 7 of them. That's unheard of. It's quite possible to get your butt handed to you against a team like that and still be a good team and a good program. But, FCS power? I think we're not there yet. I'm disappointed in the offensive line, the lack of talent at receiver, losing key players to grad transfer, and wish our QB wouldn't abandon the pocket at the first sign of pressure. I think we bounce back. I wouldn't be surprised to see a certain #5 take some snaps under center. We need to take the next step, and I think we will.
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:01 pm

Randy Reinhardt is reporting on Twitter that the Missouri Valley Conference has confirmed to ISU that mistakes were made by the on-field and replay referees on both the long Rutkiewicz reception and the disallowed Ridgeway forced fumble recovery. Rutkiewicz should have had the TD and the Redbirds should have had the fumble recovery. Not saying those plays would have turned things around but I thought the TD was OBVIOUS and was a bad call, to begin with by a referee 10 yards behind the play. The fumble recovery ... that was clear and unambiguous evidence? Really bad officiating and replay really sucks. I have hated replay since it began. From the fan perspective, it slows down the game and sucks the excitement out of it. A big play, ref signals TD, everyone is cheering and excited and then...the play is under further review. Even after review, they don't always get it right and here is the perfect example. Glad the MVC had the guts to admit the horrible job but it means nothing at this point and probably the game would have been at least 7 points closer. I just hate replay!
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:57 pm

Virginia Redbird wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:01 pm
Randy Reinhardt is reporting on Twitter that the Missouri Valley Conference has confirmed to ISU that mistakes were made by the on-field and replay referees on both the long Rutkiewicz reception and the disallowed Ridgeway forced fumble recovery. Rutkiewicz should have had the TD and the Redbirds should have had the fumble recovery. Not saying those plays would have turned things around but I thought the TD was OBVIOUS and was a bad call, to begin with by a referee 10 yards behind the play. The fumble recovery ... that was clear and unambiguous evidence? Really bad officiating and replay really sucks. I have hated replay since it began. From the fan perspective, it slows down the game and sucks the excitement out of it. A big play, ref signals TD, everyone is cheering and excited and then...the play is under further review. Even after review, they don't always get it right and here is the perfect example. Glad the MVC had the guts to admit the horrible job but it means nothing at this point and probably the game would have been at least 7 points closer. I just hate replay!
That looked like a sure touchdown to me. Then they reviewed it so I figured my eyes deceived me. Geez, what's the point of replay when they can't get something like that right? But yeah, we still would've lost.
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:35 pm

JHBird wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:57 pm
Virginia Redbird wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:01 pm
Randy Reinhardt is reporting on Twitter that the Missouri Valley Conference has confirmed to ISU that mistakes were made by the on-field and replay referees on both the long Rutkiewicz reception and the disallowed Ridgeway forced fumble recovery. Rutkiewicz should have had the TD and the Redbirds should have had the fumble recovery. Not saying those plays would have turned things around but I thought the TD was OBVIOUS and was a bad call, to begin with by a referee 10 yards behind the play. The fumble recovery ... that was clear and unambiguous evidence? Really bad officiating and replay really sucks. I have hated replay since it began. From the fan perspective, it slows down the game and sucks the excitement out of it. A big play, ref signals TD, everyone is cheering and excited and then...the play is under further review. Even after review, they don't always get it right and here is the perfect example. Glad the MVC had the guts to admit the horrible job but it means nothing at this point and probably the game would have been at least 7 points closer. I just hate replay!
That looked like a sure touchdown to me. Then they reviewed it so I figured my eyes deceived me. Geez, what's the point of replay when they can't get something like that right? But yeah, we still would've lost.
Replay at our level is a bad joke. Not enough cameras. Not enough angles. There should be a minimum number of cameras for replay to be in effect at any game.
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:54 am

TIMMY wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:35 pm
JHBird wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:57 pm
Virginia Redbird wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:01 pm
Randy Reinhardt is reporting on Twitter that the Missouri Valley Conference has confirmed to ISU that mistakes were made by the on-field and replay referees on both the long Rutkiewicz reception and the disallowed Ridgeway forced fumble recovery. Rutkiewicz should have had the TD and the Redbirds should have had the fumble recovery. Not saying those plays would have turned things around but I thought the TD was OBVIOUS and was a bad call, to begin with by a referee 10 yards behind the play. The fumble recovery ... that was clear and unambiguous evidence? Really bad officiating and replay really sucks. I have hated replay since it began. From the fan perspective, it slows down the game and sucks the excitement out of it. A big play, ref signals TD, everyone is cheering and excited and then...the play is under further review. Even after review, they don't always get it right and here is the perfect example. Glad the MVC had the guts to admit the horrible job but it means nothing at this point and probably the game would have been at least 7 points closer. I just hate replay!
That looked like a sure touchdown to me. Then they reviewed it so I figured my eyes deceived me. Geez, what's the point of replay when they can't get something like that right? But yeah, we still would've lost.
Replay at our level is a bad joke. Not enough cameras. Not enough angles. There should be a minimum number of cameras for replay to be in effect at any game.
Was the original call a TD, or did they say he was down? I could understand if they just didn't have the angle to overrule him being called down at the 1.
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:14 am

Bad day at the office for sure .. got out-game planned and out played.

And can't help but wonder .. why so many naysayers show up only after a bad game ... and against NDSU no less.

Then the SIU game thread goes up and suddenly, some who don't usually make predictions, show up again making dire predictions and with rather odd conviction about it ... as if, they prefer when things are going badly ???

I think it speaks for itself ... Go Redbirds !!!!
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:22 am

JHBird wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:54 am
TIMMY wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:35 pm
JHBird wrote:
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That looked like a sure touchdown to me. Then they reviewed it so I figured my eyes deceived me. Geez, what's the point of replay when they can't get something like that right? But yeah, we still would've lost.
Replay at our level is a bad joke. Not enough cameras. Not enough angles. There should be a minimum number of cameras for replay to be in effect at any game.
Was the original call a TD, or did they say he was down? I could understand if they just didn't have the angle to overrule him being called down at the 1.
call on the field, was that he didn't reach end zone. It was a crazy run, so ref was out of position. It was a very close call, but I don't know how the call on field was for no TD. His upper body and ball clearly landed on the goal line. There is no way he saw for sure that his knee may have touched the grass before the ball crossed the plane and his body landed slightly over the goal line. Someone else said it, if the call on field had been for TD, they could not have reversed it .. it was that close.

But that was a hell of a run after catch.

Speaking of positives, John Ridgeway played out of his mind ... 9 tackles for a nose tackle is almost unheard of .. they just could not block him. And many Bison fans would argue this is their best OL ever.
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:23 am

JHBird wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:54 am
TIMMY wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:35 pm
JHBird wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:57 pm

That looked like a sure touchdown to me. Then they reviewed it so I figured my eyes deceived me. Geez, what's the point of replay when they can't get something like that right? But yeah, we still would've lost.
Replay at our level is a bad joke. Not enough cameras. Not enough angles. There should be a minimum number of cameras for replay to be in effect at any game.
Was the original call a TD, or did they say he was down? I could understand if they just didn't have the angle to overrule him being called down at the 1.
I really don't know JH. I thought he was in and turned to my wife. My problem is a rule that's not applied consistently from game to game because it's dependent on something out of control of the officials. Even in the NFL, where they have 20 different angles on every play they don't always get the right shot. How can they expect to get it right with 4?
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:35 am

fourthandshort wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:22 am
JHBird wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:54 am
TIMMY wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:35 pm

Replay at our level is a bad joke. Not enough cameras. Not enough angles. There should be a minimum number of cameras for replay to be in effect at any game.
Was the original call a TD, or did they say he was down? I could understand if they just didn't have the angle to overrule him being called down at the 1.
call on the field, was that he didn't reach end zone. It was a crazy run, so ref was out of position. It was a very close call, but I don't know how the call on field was for no TD. His upper body and ball clearly landed on the goal line. There is no way he saw for sure that his knee may have touched the grass before the ball crossed the plane and his body landed slightly over the goal line. Someone else said it, if the call on field had been for TD, they could not have reversed it .. it was that close.

But that was a hell of a run after catch.

Speaking of positives, John Ridgeway played out of his mind ... 9 tackles for a nose tackle is almost unheard of .. they just could not block him. And many Bison fans would argue this is their best OL ever.

every now and then I see Ridgeway at a soccer game. He's just a huge kid...like a fridge with arms. Good to see a local kid playing so well.
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:39 am

TIMMY wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:23 am
JHBird wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:54 am
TIMMY wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:35 pm

Replay at our level is a bad joke. Not enough cameras. Not enough angles. There should be a minimum number of cameras for replay to be in effect at any game.
Was the original call a TD, or did they say he was down? I could understand if they just didn't have the angle to overrule him being called down at the 1.
I really don't know JH. I thought he was in and turned to my wife. My problem is a rule that's not applied consistently from game to game because it's dependent on something out of control of the officials. Even in the NFL, where they have 20 different angles on every play they don't always get the right shot. How can they expect to get it right with 4?
I just wonder how the league figured out it was a bad call? I'm assuming they have the same crappy cameral angles. Probably the refs just didn't look close enough (with the game time pressure on/time constraint). I'm just glad the score wasn't 10 - 3 at the time.

I worry about about the SIU game, coming off a beat down like that. That's where coaching really matters. I'll be impressed if they play well and win. Just getting to the playoffs this year might be a challenge.
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:58 pm

JHBird wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:39 am
TIMMY wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:23 am
JHBird wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:54 am

Was the original call a TD, or did they say he was down? I could understand if they just didn't have the angle to overrule him being called down at the 1.
I really don't know JH. I thought he was in and turned to my wife. My problem is a rule that's not applied consistently from game to game because it's dependent on something out of control of the officials. Even in the NFL, where they have 20 different angles on every play they don't always get the right shot. How can they expect to get it right with 4?
I just wonder how the league figured out it was a bad call? I'm assuming they have the same crappy cameral angles. Probably the refs just didn't look close enough (with the game time pressure on/time constraint). I'm just glad the score wasn't 10 - 3 at the time.

I worry about about the SIU game, coming off a beat down like that. That's where coaching really matters. I'll be impressed if they play well and win. Just getting to the playoffs this year might be a challenge.
In both cases the call on the field was reversed, right? Review of the film would confirm/contradict the reversal. They're saying the film was not conclusive. Sounds like the replay official needs attend the Incontrovertible Evidence training again.
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:56 pm

JHBird wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:39 am
TIMMY wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:23 am
JHBird wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:54 am

I just wonder how the league figured out it was a bad call? I'm assuming they have the same crappy cameral angles. Probably the refs just didn't look close enough (with the game time pressure on/time constraint). I'm just glad the score wasn't 10 - 3 at the time.
My guess is they just looked at the TV replay. The TD was obvious from the replays I saw watching the game on TV. The announcers thought so as well and expressed their surprise when it was not ruled a TD. The fumble recovery was not as obvious but was there sufficient evidence to over turn the call? I did not see any and expected the call to stand. I don't know what replays the Replay official saw but I am assuming it was what TV could provide. How the TD was not given and the on field call overturned was beyond me. It was a bad on field call and the replay was so much worse. I know these are not full time guys but those were very bad calls overall by the officiating crew. To appreciate just how bad it was...do you really think the MVC would toss these guys under the bus if there was any doubt in their minds? It had to be really bad for the MVC to make this stand in my mind.
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:20 pm

StLRedbird wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:58 pm
JHBird wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:39 am
TIMMY wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:23 am

I really don't know JH. I thought he was in and turned to my wife. My problem is a rule that's not applied consistently from game to game because it's dependent on something out of control of the officials. Even in the NFL, where they have 20 different angles on every play they don't always get the right shot. How can they expect to get it right with 4?
I just wonder how the league figured out it was a bad call? I'm assuming they have the same crappy cameral angles. Probably the refs just didn't look close enough (with the game time pressure on/time constraint). I'm just glad the score wasn't 10 - 3 at the time.

I worry about about the SIU game, coming off a beat down like that. That's where coaching really matters. I'll be impressed if they play well and win. Just getting to the playoffs this year might be a challenge.
In both cases the call on the field was reversed, right? Review of the film would confirm/contradict the reversal. They're saying the film was not conclusive. Sounds like the replay official needs attend the Incontrovertible Evidence training again.
no, on the TD call, they called no TD and upon review only said, the on field call stands .. meaning, replay review did NOT confirm their call, but they didn't see enough to overturn it the on field call.

Just saw someone from MVFC agreed .. and we got screwed on that review.
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